Saturday, October 10, 2009
This Beating Of A Woman Will Not Trigger The Same Response As The Cracker Barrel Attack
Same framework:
A White man with anger management issues flies off of the handle after some minor event and launches a physical attack upon a woman.
When there was a BLACK female who was a recipient of a blow to the head - the "bonus" of there being an apparent RACIAL provocation behind the attack caused a massive protest as a response to the action of the White man.
In this case the woman is White (possibly Middle Eastern based on her husband). The same action of an angry White man assaulting a woman with a blow to the head will not draw out the protesters to the streets in support of the female attack victim.
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If the OJ/Nicole Brown Simpson case didn't cause the black community to come out and condemn the abusive/entitlement attitude that's leads to violence and homocide, I don't think they will be moved too much about this woman being violated.
We may need to update the Public Enemy song:
White Man/Black Woman - Got Protests
White Man/ White Woman - Don't Care
Black Man/ White Woman - Cheer as he is acquitted
Black Man/ Black Woman - Complain that Fox News is showing the Chris Brown/Rhianna video just to make Black people look bad.
:lol:
Lol....I've listened to gospel music for so long, I don't know how the Public Enemy song went..
laughing out loud on the last part ...
Diane:
What are your views of my "editorial cartoon" in the other post?
I don't follow your point. Or rather the point is mooted by reality.
1. several months back, i recall reading about a young black child who was set afire to two white children...no coverage.
2. thousands of assaults happen everyday. the few that are covered in the media are hardly representative of assaults generally, regardless of the racial formula.
3. media coverage of black americans is generally negative and frequently crime related.
kzs
Imperfectblack,
1. How is the reality that blacks overlook their own crime while condemning others for the same crime, mooted by reality?
2. I agree that thousands of assaults happen everyday that aren't covered by the news. That doesn't justify the silence from the black community on black crime.
3. Is it the media's fault that blacks are committing crime? Should the media not do their job and report the crime plaguing our cities? This is more of a reproach on blacks who are silent when blacks are slain in our cities and they say nothing.
I'm sorry I meant to address your second point about the young child that was burned. That is extremely disturbing and I pray there was justice done in that case. But you have to concede to the fact that hundreds of crimes committed don't make national headlines.
We have to address our apathy towards black crime.
@ diane,
black americans are far from apathetic about crime. i think you are confusing media coverage of black responses to crime with actual black attitudes about crime.clearly, they are two different issues. first, the vast majority of crime in our communities is committed by a tiny percentage of said communities. second, i grew up in inglewood, live in boston, travel to ghana. black people complain bitterly about black crime in each of those spaces. we are far from apathetic.
besides my anecdotal sense of the matter i could cite some studies that bear this out, but i am too lazy to dig them up...
black people have had a very long history of pursuing social justice and community uplift. those efforts are consistently undermined by our government. i think that is where the true problem lies--how frequently is that covered by the media???
almost never.
kzs
Imperfectblack,
the very music and entertainment culture that blacks celebrate is the very breeding ground that proliferates the death mentality in our community.
This is not a media coverage problem.
There is apathy from blacks towards the murder of their own people. No, we are not as vocal as you would like to believe when thousands of black men are killed every year in this country, but let a white kill one, and people are ready to riot.
I have seen Acorn workers protesting after their shameful debacle, and the Rodney King rioters as well. Could you provide some cases of protest and marches on the same level of intensity?
I haven't witnessed public or private outrage over the black homocide epidemic. We need to address the double standard, and decide that life is valuable, or we need to stop pretending like we care about justice..
sista, thats precisely my point. "intense" protest marches = media attention. surely it is not your claim that "intense" marches captures the full range of black attitudes about crime? as i said, i frequently hear black people complain bitterly about black crime. i hear it in churches, nation of lslam mosques, the local grocery stores, the senior citizen complex where my mom resides, the post office, the public buses, the taxi drivers, you name it. they just aren't hopping up and down for the cameras.
the american government has been at war with its black citizens for several hundred years. the intensity of that attack accounts for much of social pathology in our communities. its not unique to black america. you will find the same problems amongst any stigmatized group. i met aboriginal australians, afro-brits, papau new guineans all facing similar problems with community crime. having said that, there are good reasons for being concerned with white violence. we have been under attack for generations.
finding fault with oppressed people is easy. we have plenty of white people saying that black people are apathetic about crime. rather than reacting to media simplifications and reproducing white stereotypes. why not accent the positive and do your part to transform your community. kzs
while im radical--a black nationalist, most african americans are socially conservative. here is some research that captures some data suggestive of black attitudes towards crime:
http://pewresearch.org/pubs/895/obamas-black-audience
highlights:
black responsible for own condition 66%
crime is problem in local community 49%
bill cosby is a good influence 85%
these are not even remotely "apathetic" numbers. black people are frustrated about white racial discrimination AND black crime. kzs
entertainment is a symptom of oppression not a cause of black violence. white people and some conservative black people used to make the same (unfounded) claims about jazz--calling it "devil music" that promoted sexual perversion and crime. kzs
Imperfectblack,
first you blame others...
"the intensity of that [american government] accounts for much of social pathology in our communities"
and then quote a statistic showing 66% of those participating in the survey say "black themselves are responsible"
AFRICANS kidnapped and gathered other AFRICANS to sell their own into slavery to Europeans and Americans. The Arabs through military conquest enslaved Africans long before any European did and still are. Some Africans themselves are brutal and enslave other Africans as well. After Europe and America had long ended slavery (to the credit of the blacks and whites in this country), SLAVERY IS STILL A PROBLEM IN AFRICA. Do not leave that page out of your history book.
Why do you claim that blacks are so inferior; that they are not responsible for their problems??
Why do you perpetuate the lie that we can't respect our elders, our parents, our teachers, laws of the land, study and learn, become good citizens, respect our fellow citizens, live moral responsible lives, commit to our spouses and be good father and mothers to our children??
Why do you perpetuate the lie, that has been debunked by our ancestors and forefathers in this country, "that we are helpless and pitiful"??
Blacks oppress other blacks through hatred of themselves and other races, and as long as you continue to tell them lies about themselves and other races, you will not see "community uplift".
Either address the value of life with the same intensity or stop pretending you stand for civility and justice.
Hotep..Imperfect Black;
It is always the myth that so many people always seem to believe that they have the answers in African communities.
It is also obvious that many are lonely frustrated and seeking associations of whatever depth available..i consider those beneath my ilk.
In my work as a former defense Atty and prosecutor turned Law Professor, it is even more obvious with certain students who cannot fathom how I have the position, and authenticity I have.
So my remedy for those who doubt that i can handle my own (as is the case with another Nationalist i have come to know..LOL) is to spktruth2power and let go. i choose this because when i am right there are no arguments and no need to continue dialogue..However, as someone who is a life long seeker of knowledge i am real careful about where info arizes, and welcome factual dialogue..My e-mail has great delete, junk mail and spam properties..LOL
PS no big u';s or small i's
@ without,
Ma'at :o)
@ diane,
my politics are not really relevant. i only mentioned it as full disclosure. the thread was addressing whether or not black people are generally apathetic about black crime. the evidence both anecdotal and data driven clearly indicates that they are not. Period.
Nowhere do i call black people "inferior." And obviously we are more than capable of solving our own problems--that is precisely the point of black nationalism. to repeat, black Americans have a long and rich legacy of attempting to solve our own problems. But that effort has been consistently undermined by "our" government which is at war with its black citizens...
I am an academic. I research and write about African people and their descendants and, yes, slavery. Your characterization of Africans and slavery is inaccurate but, again, thats beyond the scope of this post. I info is public feel free to contact me. I will, however, mention a deep historical gap in your recounting of slavery abolition. You stated thus:
"After Europe and America had long ended slavery (to the credit of the blacks and whites in this country)".
This is a grossly misleading statement. post Reconstruction and the Tilden-Hayes Compromise, circa 1877, right up until the 1950s, historians call the "nadir of US racial history." It was an absolutely horrific time for African Americans who suffered severely under white supremacy: lynchings, castrations, human bonfires, mutilations, often in the audience of huge throngs of cheering white onlookers. But thats not all. During that same period, tens of thousands of black men were imprisoned and enslaved under bogus vagrancy laws (see Slavery by Another Name by Blackmon).
For whatever reason you seem content to parrot centuries-old white racist stereotypes about "apathetic" black people so I will bid you adieu.
kzs
No, it's old black racist stereotypes that's destroying our communities today.
You again only focus on the wrong of others, and blame others for the crime we commit and our lack of respect for all human life, including our own. You are implying that blacks are inferior, not responsible, we are little children needing an adult to restrain us, shouldn't be held accountable, can't be legitimately criticized (only whites are to be critized and publicly protested against), BECAUSE IT'S THE GOVERNMENT'S FAULT (whites). This is the doctrine of inferiority, that keeps us from being able to live at peace with each other and those that are of different races, and has created a culture of anarchy and crime.
You have chosen to point out the history of whites, but omit the atrocities of blacks,... I liken that to a black doctor that has 2 patients with cancer. He diagnoses one patient with symptoms of cancer, and prescribes treatment (pointing out wrongs in whites and requesting they amend their ways), but that same doctor won't even properly diagnose nor give the same prescription for treatment for the other patient just because he's black.
Diane,
Even if what you say is 100% true. So what? This thread is not about me.
Yawn.
kzs
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