
I will now pick off the irrational rantings of Wizz.
Ok CS/CF whatever you are calling yourself... Lets slow it down. Maybe you can get this through your thick skull...
Quote: I am attempting to comprehend why a DEMOCRATIC INTENTION WHILE IN POWER is less reprehensible to you than a REPUBLICAN ABSENCE?
Wizz: First off... Black communities do not exist in a vacuum. They exist in majority white counties, majority white states, and a majority white nation (up until recently dominated by Republicans). So your contention that all their shortcomings is ALL due to the democrats that run them is just not true. Those democrats that run those cities are in constant fights with their neighboring communities and states for funds, services, and business.The key fraud in Wizz's statement is that Black elected officials can't be held accountable until their OPPOSITION stops opposing them. As long as the evil racist Republicans are disagreeing with him while FOLLOWING THE RULES of political order what grievance does Wizz have? Instead his theories are based on some totalitarian order which says that the Progressives need total control of every nook and crany of the nation before they can be held accountable.
Blacks are only 13% of the population. The nation is 304+ Million strong and Blacks are 40 million of this. The question that needs to be answered, however, is What is the difference between the views held by the average Democrat of any stripe and that which is held by Black Democrats?
Wizz seeks to throw out this preemptive check against scrutiny that does not stand to reason. Why elect Black or Democratic local officials if at the end of the day the community doesn't plan to hold them as accountable as they do their White conservative predecessors who failed to educate their kids and or keep their communities safe?
In truth what Wizz sees as unfair competition between cities and counties is really the INABILITY of the cities/counties in question to compete. The election night celebrations in many of these places when the Democrats and or the Blacks won should have been coordinated with messages to those who they defeated that THEY ARE NOT THE ENEMY despite the campaign rhetoric to the affirmative. At the end of the day Wizz and others coveted political power yet had no business or goveranance accumen to maintain the district.
When I see black democratic politicians fighting for funds for schools... They are usually fighting AGAINST REPUBLICANS...
I see Republican cities who have built up their districts, running them AS THEY SEE FIT, after vacating the central cities and thus affording the current regime to run things as THEY SAW FIT AS WELL. They are seeking to protect their pockets from being picked. You put forth the notion that LACK OF SCHOOL FUNDING is the key problem with these urban schools. Nearly without fail these same districts have a higher than average state funding level. This means that there are a considerable number of in-state districts that pay less per student without the same disastrous results.
When I see black democratic politicians fighting to get machine guns out of the hands of gangs... They are usually fighting AGAINST REPUBLICANS...
The argument executed by the 2nd Amendment confiscators goes like this Wizz:
"Our sons are KILLING EACH OTHER, therefore Mr Conservative, I need for you to give up YOUR second amendment rights to bear arms so that together we can stop OUR sons from killing each other. If you REFUSE to give up your guns then YOU are more responsible for our sons killing each other than the Black kid who pulled the trigger. You WANT to see them killing each other anyway, DON'T YOU?"
These ranting activists fail to admit that it is not the PRESENCE OF A GUN that causes people to kill each other - or the "Good ole boys" would be killing each other. To date I have heard more Black bloggers talk about Dick Cheney's having shot someone than they do about THUGS who kill. (See Field-Negro today)
In summary what we have if a failure of management and culture WITHIN the Black community that is being transferred as the fault of others.
When I see black democratic politicians fighting to get money to hire more police in their neighborhood to fight the criminals... They are usually fighting AGAINST REPUBLICANS...
I have two angles on this one folks
1) Once again the POLICE FUNCTION is a basic service that a city should provide to its citizens. If a city is at the point of insolvency in which it is not able to fund its own police force then someone needs to look at the dissolution of the city charter. If the city was given a charter by the state because the people sought to pay their taxes to the municipal government rather than the county or state and thus would provide its own services - the question of what to do with this same city which can no longer provide for itself needs to be raised.
2) The same forces who say "F The Police" and who don't assist the police in their criminal investigations are also the same people DEMANDING more police officers to protect them. Something tells me that Wizz has a confrontational relationship with his local police. He is likely the first one on the protest line when they do something suspect to him.
When I see democrats fighting to hold on to the successes that we have had because of and since the civil rights movement they are usually fighting AGAINST REPUBLICANS...
On and on and on... You get the picture (well maybe not CS/CF)..
This is my favorite one folks.
If we do an analysis of the year 2008 and consider the primary forces that THREATENED BLACK PEOPLE - it is clear to anyone who is honest that it would not be the classical forces that Wizz wants us to focus upon.
- Who is the number one homicide killer of Black people today?
- Who do Black mothers fear the most?
- What are the burglar bars on Black people's homes put up to defend against?
- What force functions as the "All White Jury", denying justice today more than the "Stop Snitching" alliance?
- Who steals more classroom instruction time in public schools than do the "Thugs In Training" who have discipline problems?
The SUCCESSES that Black people have amassed thus far is far more threatened by THUGS than by Racist White people who are seeking to DISTANCE themselves from Blacks rather than being insurgents within our communities.
So not only are Republicans not offering any solutions, they are ACTIVELY FIGHTING AGAINST the people who are trying to offer solutions. Republicans are not just ABSENT... They are the OPPOSITION... So in my normal functioning mind. If I see Democrats voting for these things that I agree with.. And Republicans voting AGAINST these things that I agree with. Guess what??? I'M GOING TO KEEP VOTING FOR MORE AND MORE DEMOCRATS UNTIL THEY START WINNING THOSE VOTES!! So come up with some better ideas or get the hell out or the way... I mean is that REALLY that hard to comprehend? If so then I can not help you.
This is so frustrating folks. You see - the evil, racist Conservatives have MOVED AWAY from the places where people who think like Wizz are highly concentrated. In Wizz's perversion the people who have allowed Wizz to HAVE THE KEYS TO HIS OWN KINGDOM are more guilty than the people who are ATTEMPTING TO DELIVER WHAT HE WANTS, BUT FOR THESE EXTERNAL FORCES.
How does one logically debate with someone who is EXTERNALLY YOLKED as Wizz is?
This is why the Black Quasi-Socialist Progressive-Fundamentalist Racism Chaser is seeking a NATIONAL STRATEGY. They have run to the end of their rope with regard to local control. They figured that the TAXING DISTRICT that their adversaries have escaped out of can be negated with NATIONAL control
What does this say about Wizz when so much of his GOOD LIVING is based on getting PERMISSION from his adversaries? Does it sound like Wizz has many ORGANIC ideas for prosperity or is he a GOVERNMENT CONTROL AND REORDER type of guy?
Just think - for decades people like Wizz resented the "White Folks In High Rizes" downtown. Now that his political force has control of the DOWNTOWN DISTRICT and he STILL does not have the economic power that he lusted after - the fact that they moved out - means that he must EXPAND THE POLICE TAPE to corner them.
Constructive Feedback: What ever the Republicans are FAILING to offer Black folks there is a growing number of Blacks who are choosing to LIVE RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO THE REPUBLICANS so that they can get whatever the rest of Black folks find repulsive.
This is your dumbest statement yet... I know not one non-criminal black person who finds the benefits of exurban life "repulsive". Most black people are good, hard working, non-criminals who want the best for their children even though they weren't able to get if for themselves.
Anyone who has read this blog for a while will note that I BELIEVE THE SAME THING. Me as a "Black Conservative" want the very same thing as do the "Black Flight Progressives" and we are increasingly occupying the same suburban space.
I have stated before that the gross difference between me and them is that I ALSO see the set of POLICIES that have afforded these good things to be EXPRESSED. I have moved into a conservative bastion and I plan to VOTE FOR people who have proven their ability to CRAFT SUCH A FAVORABLE ENVIRONMENT.
Wizz, on the other hand would move right next door to me - having escaped the land that Progressives like him have eroded into an undesirable place and then he CONTINUES TO VOTE FOR THEM because, in his perverted view, by doing so he HAS HIS PEEP'S BEST INTERESTS IN MIND.
Wouldn't it be more logical for Wiz to make note of HOW THEY DO IT IN THE CONSERVATIVE CITIES that are favorable and work to implement the same POLICIES where there is failure in the inner city? It makes no damned sense the way Wizz thinks.
He is all about INTENTIONS AND "THE CHASE"
I am all about MANAGEMENT and CONSERVATORSHIP.
However MANY of them will NEVER be able to afford the $300K+ homes or the $1500/mo rent in order to move into those neighborhoods. Black people want the same as every body else.. good schools, nice homes, low crime, community services, parks, extra curricular activities for their kids, etc... THAT'S THE WHOLE DAMN POINT!!! The only people I see fighting to try to bring some of these things to black communities have a "(D)" next to their name. But for some strange reason that I will never understand you want me to vote for someone who has been fighting against everything that I want my politicians to be fighting for.. It makes absolutely no sense.Does anyone else believe that Wizz can back up this claim? Again the key difference is between having CRAFTED these spaces when an ideology has gone off on its own and the PROGRESSIVE ideology which is CONFISCATORY in nature. Instead of MANAGING their way into this end state they seek to REORDER and REDISTRIBUTE their way into this end point and KEEP TRYING until they get there. Wizz can find NO PLACE ELSE ON EARTH to serve as a reference for his unlim
If those blacks outside your window came from good circumstances you may be able to convince them to vote republican, probably on tax issues alone.. However if those black folks outside your window actually did come from nothing, out of one those inner cities, then I highly doubt they will ever vote Republican...I am not a Republican
I have never asked ANYONE to vote for a Republican - aside from Bobby Jindal of LA.
The fact that YOU believe that someone can VOTE THEIR WAY into the prosperity that you seek is quite disturbing.
Because they still have mothers, uncles, nieces, nephews, cousins, etc.., who are still struggling through the mess of the cities... And they are looking out the window at you and wondering how in the hell can he NOT understand what the hell is going on. To them you are the enemy of their entire family and friends who are still in those neighborhoods.Can you all give me credit? I know how Wizz thinks. When he votes for the Democrats he is voting for their INTENTIONS rather than their RESULTS. He has the LITTLE PEOPLE who are:
- Suffering inside of Democrat run schools
- Terrorized inside of Democratic run police zones
- Unemployed inside of Democratic controlled economic zones
- Suffering disproportionate STD infections inside of cultures that have the Democrat footprint on their mores
So why do these exurban cities have all their services covered plus some, while the inner-cities can't get the basics? Money, Money, Money... C.R.E.A.M. These cities are bringing in tons of cash off housing taxes alone.. Then throw on top of that all the money they can get off business taxes. They can bring in businesses by offering huge initial tax breaks because they are getting plenty of revenues from other areas like home taxes and other businesses... Then throw on top of that they usually have much smaller populations. So the revenues per person are much higher. They can over fund their schools, over fund their police, over fund their parks and recreation, etc... I bet E. St Louis does NOT have those luxuries.Wizz won't talk about the "High Tax, High Regulation" regimes that created the RUST BELT, among other things. It is a crime to compete for businesses with Tax Breaks. But he can't see that the hostile treatment of businesses by a set of progressive politicians in the Rust Belt area had something to do with their exodus. He believed that they were in pursuit of the WORKER'S BEST INTERESTS. In as much as they are NOT WORKING NOW - it is clear that they FAILED.
So until you and your Republican friends can come up with some ideas to address the problems in these cities that have very little money, please spare me the WHINING about blacks only voting for democrats. Because democrats are the only ones coming up with ideas. And it couldn't be more obvious that Republicans don't give a damn."Very Little Money". I think we have already dispensed the reason WHY the gross productive product of these areas have shriveled. People who think like Wizz and who have taken the reigns of power have seen to it. Despite the fact that the Democrats preside over some of the poorest workng class areas in the nation they have avoided the stigma of being "against the interests of the poor and working class".
And you thougth you had seen it all from Wizz folks:
The one criticism I will put on black voters is that they don't take primaries seriously. If the Democrat you elected is not doing what he said he was going to do then he needs to be taken out through the primaries. And continue to do so until you find one who will. But that sure is hell not an argument to vote Republican.. WHY?So again - in Clayton County Georgia - the 9 Democrat school board caused the county to lose its accreditation. Crime is up after the all Democratic county board and an array of Democratic sheriffs have been in charge. Despite this news IT IS NOT grounds to purge out the Democratic Party and replace it with people who THINK like the counties to the South of Clayton that an increasing number of Democratic Blacks are moving to? Fayette County and Henry County, though dominated by Republicans are receiving a large influx of Blacks from Clayton and Fulton. They are more fearful of remaining where they are than they are of living next door to a Conservative Republican.
SIMPLY FREEKING AMAZING!!!!
(This is where I get so frustrated folks. If ONLY Wizz had some foundation to make his stand upon. Instead you have the POPULAR political order gaining MORE GROUND and you see Black folks MOVING into Conservative areas to ESCAPE this threat only to keep voting as they do and make these conservative areas more PURPLE and one day BLUE. ) Some of you might not agree with my philosophy but you can't call me ABSTRACT from my actions and my ideology.
Well thats it.... I can not break it down any further for you. I don't have time to break down the whole black community's mentality to you. Either you get it or you don't.. And you obviously don't.
Wizz | 02.07.09 - 12:47 pm | #
I agree with you there.
With there being a Vertically Integrated Message Machine firing information at Black people I can fully understand why some folks think as they do DESPITE what the painful reality says otherwise.
Again - If ONLY you could show me that as your force grows in power that our people have an improved lot in life - I'd love to see it.
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My post on Booker Rising:
Wizz - Here is my detailed response to your rantings. Your frame of thought has more benefit to the DEMOCRATIC PARTY than it does to the BLACK COMMUNITY.
http://withintheblackcommunity.blogspot.com/2009/02/wizz-rebuttal.html
To you:
The Democratic Party is your VEHICLE and you replace DRIVERS in the seat of the party IF THEY FAIL YOU.
The Republican Party is your ENEMY and thus you have fused all BLACK INTERESTS with your party interests to fight REPUBLICANS. When YOUR PARTY takes over and all REPUBLICANS DEPART your political domain.......the essence of your fight is STILL FIGHTING REPUBLICANS for them to SHARE THEIR MONEY WITH YOU rather than any particular ORGANIC EFFORT to get the DEMOCRATS WHO RUN YOUR DOMAIN TO organize the people for PRODUCTIVITY
By far you have produced a "real man" for me to attack so that no one needs to claim that I have built up a "straw man". Any long time reader of my views will see that YOUR VIEWS have closely resembled the "Imaginary Progressive" that I am often accused of fighting against.
Instead I am a good listener and analyst. My understanding of you and other Black folks comes from years of ENGAGEMENT WITH people like YOU. I understood your fusion with the Democratic party and your constant EXTERNAL FIGHT milieu long before you set foot on this blog. (And no people - I AM NOT WIZZ - debating with myself)
Thank you brother.
Your line of thinking is fundamentally problematic. It, by default, lets DEMOCRATS off of the hook. Blacks are ALWAYS the minority and thus even the most corrupt Black or Democrat is said to be INTENDING TO HELP YOUR CAUSE and this is good enough for you. The amount of land that you conquer is not enough to satisfy you that IT IS NOW TIME TO EXPECT RESULTS. This is because there is still LAND THAT IS NOT CONQUERED WHICH IS STILL CONTROLLED BY REPUBLICANS.
The fact that you can't respect the fact that there are REPUBLICAN DISTRICTS that obey the law and appoint ONE REPRESENTATIVE TO THE LEGISLATURE JUST AS YOU DO and that their OPINION is just as valid as YOUR REPRESENTATIVE'S then you show totalitarian underpinnings for your motivations.
The Democratic Party should give you a gold star bro. You are one of their best and brainwashed clients. They ultimately don't need to do ANYTHING for you except keep TRYING to advance the policies that YOU PREFER. No matter if they are a FAILURE to your PERMANENT INTERESTS, no matter if you ever ACTUALLY EXPRESS THEM WITHIN.
You gots issues dude.
I will post my complete post without all of your BS in the middle of it.. Including your questions I was answering and the portions you left out.. It could not be any more concise and to the point. I'll let your readers decide who "gots issues".
My comment:
Ok CS/CF whatever you are calling yourself... Lets slow it down. Maybe you can get this through your thick skull...
Quote: I am attempting to comprehend why a DEMOCRATIC INTENTION WHILE IN POWER is less reprehensible to you than a REPUBLICAN ABSENCE?
First off... Black communities do not exist in a vacuum. They exist in majority white counties, majority white states, and a majority white nation (up until recently dominated by Republicans). So your contention that all their shortcomings is ALL due to the democrats that run them is just not true. Those democrats that run those cities are in constant fights with their neighboring communities and states for funds, services, and business.
When I see black democratic politicians fighting for funds for schools... They are usually fighting AGAINST REPUBLICANS...
When I see black democratic politicians fighting to get machine guns out of the hands of gangs... They are usually fighting AGAINST REPUBLICANS...
When I see black democratic politicians fighting to get money to hire more police in their neighborhood to fight the criminals... They are usually fighting AGAINST REPUBLICANS...
When I see democrats fighting to hold on to the successes that we have had because of and since the civil rights movement they are usually fighting AGAINST REPUBLICANS...
On and on and on... You get the picture (well maybe not CS/CF)..
So not only are Republicans not offering any solutions, they are ACTIVELY FIGHTING AGAINST the people who are trying to offer solutions. Republicans are not just ABSENT... They are the OPPOSITION... So in my normal functioning mind. If I see Democrats voting for these things that I agree with.. And Republicans voting AGAINST these things that I agree with. Guess what??? I'M GOING TO KEEP VOTING FOR MORE AND MORE DEMOCRATS UNTIL THEY START WINNING THOSE VOTES!! So come up with some better ideas or get the hell out or the way... I mean is that REALLY that hard to comprehend? If so then I can not help you.
Quote: What ever the Republicans are FAILING to offer Black folks there is a growing number of Blacks who are choosing to LIVE RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO THE REPUBLICANS so that they can get whatever the rest of Black folks find repulsive.
This is your dumbest statement yet... I know not one non-criminal black person who finds the benefits of exurban life "repulsive". Most black people are good, hard working, non-criminals who want the best for their children even though they weren't able to get if for themselves. However MANY of them will NEVER be able to afford the $300K+ homes or the $1500/mo rent in order to move into those neighborhoods. Black people want the same as every body else.. good schools, nice homes, low crime, community services, parks, extra curricular activities for their kids, etc... THAT'S THE WHOLE DAMN POINT!!! The only people I see fighting to try to bring some of these things to black communities have a "(D)" next to their name. But for some strange reason that I will never understand you want me to vote for someone who has been fighting against everything that I want my politicians to be fighting for.. It makes absolutely no sense.
If those blacks outside your window came from good circumstances you may be able to convince them to vote republican, probably on tax issues alone.. However if those black folks outside your window actually did come from nothing, out of one those inner cities, then I highly doubt they will ever vote Republican... Because they still have mothers, uncles, nieces, nephews, cousins, etc.., who are still struggling through the mess of the cities... And they are looking out the window at you and wondering how in the hell can he NOT understand what the hell is going on. To them you are the enemy of their entire family and friends who are still in those neighborhoods.
So why do these exurban cities have all their services covered plus some, while the inner-cities can't get the basics? Money, Money, Money... C.R.E.A.M. These cities are bringing in tons of cash off housing taxes alone.. Then throw on top of that all the money they can get off business taxes. They can bring in businesses by offering huge initial tax breaks because they are getting plenty of revenues from other areas like home taxes and other businesses... Then throw on top of that they usually have much smaller populations. So the revenues per person are much higher. They can over fund their schools, over fund their police, over fund their parks and recreation, etc... I bet E. St Louis does NOT have those luxuries.
So until you and your Republican friends can come up with some ideas to address the problems in these cities that have very little money, please spare me the WHINING about blacks only voting for democrats. Because democrats are the only ones coming up with ideas. And it couldn't be more obvious that Republicans don't give a damn.
The one criticism I will put on black voters is that they don't take primaries seriously. If the Democrat you elected is not doing what he said he was going to do then he needs to be taken out through the primaries. And continue to do so until you find one who will. But that sure is hell not an argument to vote Republican.. WHY?
Well thats it.... I can not break it down any further for you. I don't have time to break down the whole black community's mentality to you. Either you get it or you don't.. And you obviously don't.
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I will give you the benefit of the doubt this time Wizz. I gave you the direct link to my rebuttal of your words but you did not branch back out to my main blog site and see that I DID, in fact, post your UNALTERED WORDS:
Wizz Speaks - Version #1 Unedited
http://withintheblackcommunity.blogspot.com/2009/02/wizz-speaks-version-1-unedited.html
I have no need to manipulate your words - their unaltered form are perfect for my use.
Thank you.
No I did not notice that you posted my original post... After looking at it though I would not call it unadulterated...
Anyway... I'll get back to this. I don't have a lot of time at the moment but don't take my silence as an endorsement of your ridiculous stances. I will engage you in this debate when I get some more free time.
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