Some situations are easy to predict.
Put Progressive against Progressive and step out of the way. The results are not going to be pretty......particularly for those who have some skin in the game per their PROPERTY HOLDINGS.
Thus I am not surprised at all that when it came time for the Mayor of Oakland who spoke to a rioting group of Anarchist Progressives, suggesting to them that this is not the way to obtain their goals - they summarily ignored him. These Anarchist Progressives were fighting for justice.....by breaking the law heard a voice from their crowd edge them on and thus they continued their riot.
"I'm asking people to disperse," the mayor said to the couple hundred people in the crowd. "Let's leave in a spirit of peace.", said Dullums
Clearly a "War Is Not The Answer" message only works with people who GIVE A DAMN about what you have to say.
But soon after, a man shouted "that's the modern day lynching" and the mob quickly continued its rampage, smashing at least seven storefronts on 17th street between Franklin and Webster streets. They also smashed eight cars, including four belonging to the City of Oakland.
At that specific moment the guy who shouted out ruined Ron Dellums' opportunity to be a modern day Martin Luther King Jr.
If only this crowd had the discipline that was shown in the scene outside of the hospital in the movie "Malcolm X". The character of Malcolm X, played by Denzel Washington was able to summon the crowd of Black Muslim protesters to attention at his whim. They retained their dignity as the ESTABLISHMENT grew envious and fearful of the POWER that this one man had over the crowd of Black folks. It was their discipline more than his power over them that made the difference.
This post is important for me to get across because my analysis of a particular set of conflicting concepts is evident here and is going to only increase as time goes on and as Black Progressives and Progressives of any stripe assume more of the order in places like Oakland and elsewhere.
Mayor Dellums is going to be applauded in many circles for his willingness to not call out the attack dogs of the police as his first response - crushing the protests preemptively. The consequence of his enlightened approach is that more property was destroyed and the miscreants are motivated to "rinse and repeat". This channel of communication is an effective one as they surmise.
At a time when Oakland has experienced a tremendous rebirth where long blighted communities have come back to life with social, cultural and economic activity - the willful actions by this angry mob of anarchist progressives will be a decades long set back.
Why would an investor in bricks and mortar put his signature on the line for a business that has large plate glass windows that prove to be an inviting target for a brick and then a Molotov cocktail?
The irony of it all is that the JOBS and EDUCATION that this anarchical group frequently demands is a products of ORDER and DISCIPLINE and PROCESS. It is not a product of reactionary, chaotic and emotional whims. They prove to be their own worst enemy.
What happens when the "low hanging fruit" enemy (the conservatives) are displaced in a society?
The establishment progressives BECOME the "relative conservatives" who are seeking to maintain order. Order is a conservative principle to the anarchist progressive.
To the "Establishment Progressive" I say - welcome to the club. How does it feel like to be attacked and blamed for everything?
I will keep an eye on Ron Dellums as this conflict flows toward settlment.
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Take a cue from your boy Ed, Ronald.
http://www.dreamandhustle.com/676/battle-of-atlanta-2009-empowerment-versus-elitist/
He has clearly delineated the issue that you desperately and unsuccessfully struggle to express.
Instead of hounding and alienating those with greater experience and insight than yourself, you should seek out their wise counsel and figure out a better way.
Or, you can keep playing booboo the fool and wind up making no constructive contribution, or, piss off the wrong parties with less patience who suffer fools less lightly.
Mr. Nulan:
You want me to provide "solutions".
I am simply bringing consciousness to the people who have POWER via their elective office and their influence upon the community.
Those people who you say are "alienated" by my mere words are really among those who are BOUND by a particular METHODOLOGY rather than being bound to THE GOAL which they claim to adhere to.
Only a fool will seek to look past the results that are being generated by people who CLAIM to be working toward a goal only to ignore the mile makers that prove otherwise.
Craig when you are riding on a coast line road, having entrusted your life to the driver and the navigator as you relax in the coach with your feet up.....if you make note that the black top asphalt that you had been riding on has turned to grass under the wheels and then rocks and then sand....your failure to anticipate that the water from the oceans is likely coming next but you don't ASK QUESTIONS of the driver and the navigator because they told you "WE ARE MAKING PROGRESS" then I contend that YOU are complicit in the creating the submarine that has no water proofing that your vehicle is about to become.
I though that you were a fan of "Speaking Truth To Power"?
OK George. That was my last attempt to get you to moderate your idiocy. You're too stuck on stupid to bother with anymore.
Mr Nulan:
Is the "moderate" position some how a more enlightened one when there is a ravenous extremist position that you are attempting to counterbalance?
It seems to me that when the balance is "90 to 10" it seems a bit illogical to ask the "10% ers" to MODERATE so that the 20% hardcore bigots of the 90% will LIKE him and what he says.
Typically I am told that if I didn't have so many misspelled words AND if I did not write so voluminously that my Progressive-Fundamentalist adversaries would not be so against me.
In truth it appears that I am NaCl and they are a snail. The snail doesn't like being agitated as such. THEY like actually doing the agitation.
Did you see this diagram that attempts to layout the PROPORTIONALITIES that are involved here?
http://withintheblackcommunity.blogspot.com/2009/01/graphical-representation-of-my-relative.html
By the way Cnulan - as an "Anarcho-Capitalist" who admitted traveling to the nation of India:
Were you there on a pleasure trip, seeing how people who aren't bound by such a state capitalistic authority as America lives
OR
were you there in the context of supporting a CORPORATION who had sent "American Jobs" overseas but was concerned about the security threats that certain "brownskinned" people over there might have upon their network.
Can an A-C also be the agent of a corporation? Or are you an embedded A-C seeking to master all of the vulnerabilities of the Matrix so that when you help the A-C Forces attack you will know all of the remediation tactics?
Who paid for your ticket to the Asian Subcontinent?
Is the "moderate" position some how a more enlightened one when there is a ravenous extremist position that you are attempting to counterbalance?
The only thing ravenous or extreme is the hyperpartisan baggage that you bring to each and every contact with other Black folks.
You've made and scrawled assumptions about me from here to Timbuktu that are unfounded, unwarranted and of no use to you, me, or anyone else.
You're irresponsible and incapable of reading and sussing out what it is that others are expressing because you're so full of your own hot air that there's no mind space left to ascertain different points of view.
Ed perfectly described a cadre of folks with whom I have direct personal experience and about whom I'm in perfect agreement with his characterizations. I refer to these folks as gatekeepers and 2nd and 3rd line inheritors of the civil rights movement.
There is considerable overlap between these folks and the ones you endlessly rant about. Matter of fact, I suspect they're the exact same cadres in many instances.
Now Ed stated a position with regard to what he intends to do about these folks competitively and confrontationally. I fully well expect he will do exactly as he says. My question to him centered on the value of confronting folks who've been rendered so transparent, obvious, and useless by the violent swirl of current events?
In my opinion, the most satisfying thing of all to do is to simply pursue your own projects, programs and goals, and then enjoy the sweet victory/revenge embodied in success made and done without the dubious "benefit" of the gatekeepers.
Is there any value to be obtained from antagonizing these folks? Not so much. The best tactic is to ignore or to neutralize them when and where you encounter them, and in selected instances, to co-opt them without ever once succumbing to their access or good will taxation schemes.
These folks are purely self-serving parasites and they come from all reaches of the political spectrum, from conservative republican state legislators to "radical" progressive political activists. At the end of the day, what they share in common is the fact that they arrived before any of us did, and that they jealously guard the institutional access that their early persons of color incumbency conferred upon them.
Folk like this (oxygen-thieving, uncreative, and crab-barreling) lard up both public and private systems and prevent more and better qualified folk from ever having an opportunity to get into, further evolve and contribute to those systems.
What all of these folks have in common, is that they've massively failed the Black community in the critical area of economic development. These folks haven't figured out how to create businesses and jobs and they don't have the resources to dole out make-work employment except to very small and close in cadre of friends and family.
The reason criminal gangs are successful in hoods is because they're one of the only equal opportunity "economic development" games in town. Minimal qualifications are sufficient to get on board.
Anyway, as I've repeatedly indicated to you, I don't think you have any economic development solutions to offer either - so in essence - you give every appearance of wanting to achieve nothing beyond simply replacing the existing gatekeepers with a brand CF/CS gatekeeping function.
Along with your constantly assaultive bombast, this makes you no different than the dogs already lying in the manger and keeping the cattle from getting to their much needed hay. At the end of the day, you must be capable of feeding people in order to be qualified to lead people.
Neither progressive nor conservative wannabe leaders tend to live up to that baseline, so that makes a whole buncha politically agitating folks useless for all intents and purposes - and it accounts for the continuing and celebrated popularity of the drug gangs.
Or do you imagine that the fact they're celebrated across the entertainment industry is part of a vast conspiracy? The same is true everywhere they comprise a sizeable part of the retail economy, both here and abroad.
Can an A-C also be the agent of a corporation? Or are you an embedded A-C seeking to master all of the vulnerabilities of the Matrix so that when you help the A-C Forces attack you will know all of the remediation tactics?
Who paid for your ticket to the Asian Subcontinent?
nunya..,
suffice it to say that I'm a seasoned and competent Ronin whose services are sufficiently in demand that I'm able to be self-employed and contract them out to various clientele.
What A-C forces are you blathering about like an absolute raving idiot? There are no such.
OTOH - there are intentional communities of interest comprised of competent folk who seek to generate their own economic and security capabilities.
One would imagine that if you had a clue, you would seek to gravitate toward such a community and apprentice yourself to more skilled folk accordingly.
Or, alternatively, just stay in your little dingy grey cubicle like a good head of livestock and reserve all your acting out in the keyboard facilitated fantasy world of the proverbial anonymous Internet fuckwad...., your call dude.
CF~What's up with you and Cnulan? Are you guys friends? Just had to ask.
Anyway, great post. I do wonder how Dellums feels being the "relative conservative".
Cnulan~What solutions do you have? Or do you feel that there are no problems within the black community?
[quote]CF~What's up with you and Cnulan? Are you guys friends? Just had to ask.[/quote]
I like my friend Craig Nulan.
I am slowly but surely attempting to get him to be a bit more tolerant about people who disagree with him.
More than that, however, I am seeking to have him realize that the policies that he and his fellow travelers inject into the domain of conflict also have consequences. He should not expect me and others to assume that our fate has only been focused upon that which OTHERS have done to us.
More than that, however, I am seeking to have him realize that the policies that he and his fellow travelers inject into the domain of conflict also have consequences. He should not expect me and others to assume that our fate has only been focused upon that which OTHERS have done to us.
Likewise.
As a Black partisan, I feel duty bound to uphold certain basic standards of conduct which go very simply.
1. Don't lie to Black folks
2. Don't lie about Black folks
3. Work with Black folks
Cnulan~What solutions do you have? Or do you feel that there are no problems within the black community?
CBW - Right off the top, there's no such thing as specifically Black problems. There are problems in America, period. Black folks are the quintessential Americans. We have done more and sacrificed more to make this country live up to its aspirational ideals than any other group of Americans.
I don't dwell on problems in the Black community because certain members of the establishment, and folks who seek to curry their favor, work overtime doing that. Anti-Black propaganda and policies have been the cornerstone of the GOP's strategy for 40 years now. So-called Black conservatives, (kneegrow conservatives because they stay perpetually grovelling on their knees) are right at the top of the list of folks living that faustian bargain.
Instead, I have a solutions focus that I've worked on diligently for the past 6 years. The foundation of my strategy is really quite simple. Working in concert with educators, engineers, creatives and leaders in this city's faithcommunity - this approach is now well established, understood, respected, and promoted by others. A KEY and indispensible element of success if your aim is genuine change agency rather than just jaw jacking.
It is NOT limited in scope to cultural production and entertainment.
[quote]The only thing ravenous or extreme is the hyperpartisan baggage that you bring to each and every contact with other Black folks.[/quote]
Indeed, my good friend Craig.
I am a "partisan" from where you stand. YOU have an authenic position that a "real Black man" would have.
[quote]I refer to these folks as gatekeepers and 2nd and 3rd line inheritors of the civil rights movement.[/quote]
Could you detail for me what you have ever done to attempt to HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE for their long list of promised delivery items to the Black community?
[quote]My question to him centered on the value of confronting folks who've been rendered so transparent, obvious, and useless by the violent swirl of current events?[/quote]
Really? Do you think that they have been DEPOSITIONED as you suspect? Not at all. They have never been more EMPOWERED per the recent political events. (Democrats running the government. What possible disappointment do they have?)
[quote]In my opinion, the most satisfying thing of all to do is to simply pursue your own projects, programs and goals, and then enjoy the sweet victory/revenge embodied in success made and done without the dubious "benefit" of the gatekeepers.[/quote]
The GATEKEEPERS ARE NOT THE PROBLEM Craig. THE BLACK COMMUNITY MEMBERS who are so meally minded that they continue to ALLOW these tricksters to continue IS THE PROBLEM. They need to be allowed to LIVE IN THE BED THAT THEY HAVE CREATED. Such "skin in the game" would have them prone to either "Choose better VISIONARIES" or to "Riot"
[quote]Is there any value to be obtained from antagonizing these folks? Not so much. [/quote]
Craig - I see at least some of their antics as functining in the very same way that RACIST WHITES did back in the day. The CCC, for example did not "lynch" any Black folks. Instead they formed a network that afforded those who DID these physical acts to live and thrive. Certainly YOU did not promote the Black community to IGNORE the CCC when they ran their schemes?
[quote]Anyway, as I've repeatedly indicated to you, I don't think you have any economic development solutions to offer either - so in essence - you give every appearance of wanting to achieve nothing beyond simply replacing the existing gatekeepers with a brand CF/CS gatekeeping function. [/quote]
Stay tuned for a proposal that I am working on.
I will ONCE AGAIN extend an opportunity for you to get in on the ground floor. We will see who is committed.
"once again?"
I give the utmost due diligence to any and all project-oriented Work whose goal is economic empowerment.
Everything else is merely conversation....,
[quote]CBW - Right off the top, there's no such thing as specifically Black problems. There are problems in America, period. Black folks are the quintessential Americans.[/quote]
Agreed on the PROBLEMS.
The point of disagreement has to do with WHO IS RESPONSIBLE for CORRECTING THE PROBLEMS as it relates to the IMPACT felt upon Black people? Some people believe that their identification of "I know how did this to us" is a SOLUTION. It is not. It also creates a dependency upon the AUTHORITY to address the problem.
The PEOPLE are net CONSUMERS of these problem solutions. They need to be INITIATORS of them!!
We have done more and sacrificed more to make this country live up to its aspirational ideals than any other group of Americans.
Craig:
Think about it using FOOD as a metaphor. If I told you "Craig my wife's Thanksgiving meal was the best meal ever. I almost ate until I popped. In early November I received a bonus check and I used it to purchase the highest quality foods at the best grocery store in the city". Does this statement of fact bring me NOURISHMENT today?
NO!!!
The only thing that matters Craig is the ability of the people to FEED THEIR HUNGER AND NEEDS TO-DAMNED-DAY!!!
I still might be carrying the WEIGHT from my Thanksgiving feast (I may be still carrying the scars from my past slavery). But Craig IF I DON'T EAT TODAY AND OVER THE NEXT FEW DAYS - I AM GOING TO DIE!!!
The more CRITICAL question IS WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO TO-DAMNED-DAY.....not FINDING SOME CONNECTIVITY WITH YOUR PAST!!!!
Neither thoughts of that juicy turkey leg or empathy for how your grandmother was slapped in the face by a White woman is going to PROVIDE A SOLUTION!!
[quote]
I don't dwell on problems in the Black community because certain members of the establishment, and folks who seek to curry their favor, work overtime doing that. Anti-Black propaganda and policies have been the cornerstone of the GOP's strategy for 40 years now. So-called Black conservatives, (kneegrow conservatives because they stay perpetually grovelling on their knees) are right at the top of the list of folks living that faustian bargain. [/quote]
Anti Black Strategy In Craig's Opinion
* Moving when too many Blacks move in - allowing them to be all by themselves
* Propagandizing on "Black Stereotypes" as a means of fortifying a negative image of them
* Denying them Welfare from the Government when they are in need
MY Racist Anti-Black List
* Keeping Black folks ECONOMICALLY CONTENT - Good enough to NOT RIOT but too bad for total contentment (No ORGANIC program to make sure that in 10 years things will be different)
* Making Blacks believe that they require a seat next to a WHITE KID for them to receive a quality education.
* Promoting the economic gaps between Black and White while allowing ANTI-CAPITALISTS to spew their RHETORIC, never mentioning to them that the standard of funding that they covet came from CAPITALISM.
Craig - it is my opinion that "Conservative Racists" while a threat to Black folks seek to DISTANCE themselves from us so that they can LIVE ON THEIR OWN. This would also result in us needing to develop ORGANIC systems by which we can live on our own. The Conservative knows the POWER of Black people and does not want to have us erode his exclusive position.
The "Liberal RACIST" sees Blacks as INFERIOR. He is never, never, never going to allow Black folks to GROW STRONG and control our own destiny.
Your problem Craig is that in your ideological entrenchment you can't see the cultural atrophy that is being commissioned by the type of outsourcing to the government that your ideological soulmates prefer.
Anti Black Strategy In Craig's Opinion
* Moving when too many Blacks move in - allowing them to be all by themselves
* Propagandizing on "Black Stereotypes" as a means of fortifying a negative image of them
* Denying them Welfare from the Government when they are in need
What core defect compels you to even attempt to ascribe thoughts to me or put words in my mouth? That's just plumb stupid and offensive on your part, and constitutes a specific case of why you're ostracized as a nutter.
SOLUTION - grow up and cut it out.
Craig - it is my opinion that "Conservative Racists" while a threat to Black folks seek to DISTANCE themselves from us so that they can LIVE ON THEIR OWN. This would also result in us needing to develop ORGANIC systems by which we can live on our own. The Conservative knows the POWER of Black people and does not want to have us erode his exclusive position.
Wrong. The folks you're afraid to criticize have hijacked the government's power to tax and police to enrich themselves and to deny and exclude us. Even a child can understand that obvious historical fact.
Your problem Craig is that in your ideological entrenchment you can't see the cultural atrophy that is being commissioned by the type of outsourcing to the government that your ideological soulmates prefer.
This is your very last chance to stop being stupid with me. Mess up one more time, and curious george finds out what it's like to get on king kong's bad side.
Find somebody else to clown with.
Capiche???
[quote]The folks you're afraid to criticize have hijacked the government's power to tax and police to enrich themselves and to deny and exclude us. [/quote]
My good friend Craig - lets go back about 233 years + 5 years.
There was a group of people who were ALSO pissed at the TAX POLICY enacted by a group of people who did not live inside of their district.
These people faced the reality of having to:
1) Suck it up and live with it
2) PROTEST against the tax policies - where if they "Tore stuff up" by brewing tea in Boston Harbor the AUTHORITIES would see that they are angry and change these polices
3) SEVER their relationship with the TAXING AUTHORITY.
In doing #3, Craig, the PEOPLE would have to choose to BE ON THEIR OWN.
Craig in "Being On Your Own" - with it being you OWN Community, City, County, Island - you will need to
1) Create your OWN policies
2) Have your OWN law enforcement
3) Rely on YOUR people who WANT to live with a certain amount of ORDER to agree to YIELD to this higher AUTHORITY so that they can COLLECTIVELY benefit.
The frustration that I have with you and others Cnulan is that while I too am a "socialist" - it is my FRIENDS AND FAMILY PLAN that is more specifically defined.
Yes I may be more EXCLUSIVE as a Conservative but I err on PURGING CANCER CELLS prior to them sucking more nutrients and killing the HOST.
You all appear to be TOLERANT and INCLUSIVE but you do so in your perpetual attempts to SHIFT the RESPONSIBILITY upon the AUTHORITY in order to take care of those who are net non-contributors.
You must decide which you want to maximize Craig - the WHOLE or the INDIVIDUAL in aggregate.
Do you ask the INDIVIDUAL to bond to the GROUP's culture? Or do you ask the GROUP to tolerate the INDIVIDUAL'S request to maximize his INDIVIDUAL culture that he has crafted?
What if HIS CULTURE is misaligned with the group's direction? Does SOCIAL JUSTICE afford him the right to ACCESS the group benefit?
The key difference between you and me has to do with one's RIGHT TO ACCESS THE FRUIT.
You have the construct of "I am a member of society and thus I have the RIGHT to access these resources.
I have the position of "The defacto condition of man is POVERTY. In order to not be poor you must do something specific to generate such 'heat' called money. If you find yourself 'cold' and without money then let us inspect the PROCESSES which have lead you to be in this state.
You thus have a CHOICE:
1) Continue doing EVERYTHING THAT IS NECESSARY TO REMAIN POOR
2) Choose to see that what you HAD BEEN DOING AIN'T WORKING. Stop doing it. Use SCIENTIFIC analysis as to what OTHERS ARE DOING to generate wealth
2a) Decide if WHAT THEY ARE DOING IS OUTSIDE OF YOUR MORAL BOUNDARIES and thus NOT DO IT - contenting yourself that DESPITE BEING POOR.....I have my DIGNITY
2b) Decide that I am willing to do what it takes and then you EXECUTE
2b.1) You then communicate these values into your YOUNG PEOPLE
2b.2) You make sure that it propagates on to future generations.
It is just that simple Craig.
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